rbandrews: (Koopa)
rbandrews ([personal profile] rbandrews) wrote2008-11-20 11:19 am

Something I've never understood

New Apple computers have HDCP, which is a nefarious copy protection system, built into the video-out ports. So you can't play HDCP-protected videos on non-HDCP-compliant (read: older than brand new) monitors. And everyone is up in arms about their civil liberties being infringed.

So here's my question: since when has watching TV and movies at a sharper resolution been that important? Why does anyone care? They released a technology that is totally superfluous, and then saddled it with oppressive DRM. The response here is to just not buy that technology, not to become self-righteous about the DRM.

You poor things, only standard-definition movies. However will you survive?

[identity profile] vond.livejournal.com 2008-11-20 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
On screens smaller than say 40", it's really not a big deal, but on any sort of "big" screen, it's very obvious to someone with even average eyesight.

[identity profile] vond.livejournal.com 2008-11-20 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Cable/satellite HD content is not really a good standard. Try a Blu-Ray of a recent animated feature (on a 1080p TV) if you really want a high-end comparison.

Of course it's not necessary, but it's nice. Why have things be visibly blurry when you can... not?

We also walked to school in the snow uphill both ways

[identity profile] diadelphous.livejournal.com 2008-11-20 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember when we watched VHS tapes and we liked it.

Re: We also walked to school in the snow uphill both ways

[identity profile] diadelphous.livejournal.com 2008-11-20 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
One thing I like about VHS tapes is that when you stop it and turn off the TV/video player, it doesn't go back to beginning of the movie. So I remain unconvinced that chapters are an improvement.

Everything else, i'm with you. I really don't care about HDTV anyway. I am cynical enough to think most of this stuff exists to trick people into spending money.

Re: We also walked to school in the snow uphill both ways

[identity profile] diadelphous.livejournal.com 2008-11-20 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Although having said that, I played We Love Katamari on my friend's HDTV one time and I saw these crazy swirly patterns in the background that had, on my TV, just been black.

So that was kind of cool.

[identity profile] wyrdone.livejournal.com 2008-11-20 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
To play devil's advocate here.

It's not civil liberties that people are that much up in arms about. It's the "We paid for HD content, and even though our display supports 1080p your stupid DRM won't let me playback the format I purchased."

If I pay the premium for HD content, I want to be able to play it anywhere I take the media and supports 1080p. Otherwise I would have just paid for the DVD to begin with and not the Blue-ray.

Re: We also walked to school in the snow uphill both ways

[identity profile] wyrdone.livejournal.com 2008-11-20 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't know about yours, but if I turn off my DVD player, it will restart a DVD at the same spot unless I unplug the unit or eject the media. Granted that doesn't help you if you do switch discs or fully power off the unit.

[identity profile] candle.livejournal.com 2008-11-20 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
(read: older than brand new) monitors

Read also many projectors.

since when has watching TV and movies at a sharper resolution been that important?

DVD video compression is horrible. The artifacts are very noticeable, especially on DVDs like 28 Days Later, which had a longish film with lots of bonus features and footage squeezed onto a single disc, necessitating a higher compression ratio. It prolly didn't help in that specific case that the movie had lots of dark (which encourages artifacts) and was shot on low grade digital.

That said, I don't watch enough movies to care enough to upgrade to Bluray.

The response here is to just not buy that technology, not to become self-righteous about the DRM.

From skimming the articles about it, they did not disclose that they added HDCP to the new MacBooks nor do they disclose the restriction looking at the Hellboy 2 (the example movie) in the iTunes store. As someone who does show movies on projectors from time to time, I'd be pretty irritated if I lost the ability to do so with no disclosure.

Also, there's nothing wrong with not buying something and complaining about it. That's part of why iTunes now sells unprotected versions (of some songs) rather than just DRM laden files. Feedback and discussion drive the future.

[identity profile] candle.livejournal.com 2008-11-20 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Some examples of the difference in quality (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=811102)

I see a clear difference and if there was motion it'd be even more annoying to me.

[identity profile] candle.livejournal.com 2008-11-20 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
BoingBoing is not a high quality commentary site to begin with and Cory Doctorow is an idiot. He's a fanboy of the worst type (Apple (prior to this), kitsch, anti-DRM) and happily bends reality to fit his view of things. Listening to him for advice on computers is like listening to the typical RedState poster on political matters.

The Ars article (http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/11/17/apple-brings-hdcp-to-a-new-aluminum-macbook-near-you) is much more reasonable about it.